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Cherche intra < 50€, bonne isolation
Cherche intra < 50€, bonne isolation
Je suis a la recherche d'intras pas trop cher.
Je possède déjà des Nuforce NE-7m dont je suis très content en terme de son et d'isolation (écoute en avion nickel par exemple !), et je cherche une seconde paire d'intras à laisser au boulot au cas ou j'oublie mes nuforce !!
Mes critères sont:
- Moins de 50€
- Très bonne qualité sonore
- Très bonne isolation
Le reste , peu importe (accessoires, bouton etc)
Aidez moi car il y a trop d'offre et je n'arrive pas a faire mon choix:
Klipsh image s4 ?
Soundmagic PL30 ?
Cx550 ?
Nudu trident ?
...
Je possède déjà des Nuforce NE-7m dont je suis très content en terme de son et d'isolation (écoute en avion nickel par exemple !), et je cherche une seconde paire d'intras à laisser au boulot au cas ou j'oublie mes nuforce !!
Mes critères sont:
- Moins de 50€
- Très bonne qualité sonore
- Très bonne isolation
Le reste , peu importe (accessoires, bouton etc)
Aidez moi car il y a trop d'offre et je n'arrive pas a faire mon choix:
Klipsh image s4 ?
Soundmagic PL30 ?
Cx550 ?
Nudu trident ?
...
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une autre paire de Nuforce
Trève de plaisanterie des PL-30 bon tu auras moins de basses, le son est plus analytique bref que des choses que tu sais déjà sûrement
Trève de plaisanterie des PL-30 bon tu auras moins de basses, le son est plus analytique bref que des choses que tu sais déjà sûrement
Source : Firestone Tobby
Préampli/Amplis: Violectric HPA-V100, SMSL SA-50
Enceintes : Audioanalyse Hexa 3
Casques : Ultrasone Performance 840, AKG Q460
Préampli/Amplis: Violectric HPA-V100, SMSL SA-50
Enceintes : Audioanalyse Hexa 3
Casques : Ultrasone Performance 840, AKG Q460
Chris92, tu veux changer de signature sonore, histoire d'avoir quelque chose de différent, ou rester sur le même type ?
Drop Pinnacle P1 - Final Audio Design Heaven-II - Focal Spirit One S - Cambridge Audio DacMagic XS
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
Tu as compris l'idée: changer de signature sonore pour tester autre chose
J'écoute pas mal de musique a connotation jazzy: acid jazz, funk, electro: donc j'aime ben du détail dans les aigus (guitares, batterie), des mediums bien présents (voix et cuivres) et des basses naturelles
J'écoute pas mal de musique a connotation jazzy: acid jazz, funk, electro: donc j'aime ben du détail dans les aigus (guitares, batterie), des mediums bien présents (voix et cuivres) et des basses naturelles
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Alors je plussoie l'avis de cocolinho, oui il est toujours en vente et ça se passe ici
Source : Firestone Tobby
Préampli/Amplis: Violectric HPA-V100, SMSL SA-50
Enceintes : Audioanalyse Hexa 3
Casques : Ultrasone Performance 840, AKG Q460
Préampli/Amplis: Violectric HPA-V100, SMSL SA-50
Enceintes : Audioanalyse Hexa 3
Casques : Ultrasone Performance 840, AKG Q460
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Les NE7m sont un peu basseux je crois, une signature un peu plus équilibrée conviendrait sans doute.
VSonic R04
VSonic GR06
ECCI PR300
DUNU Crius
Soundmagic E10
À propos des Xcape IE, il y a eu un problème avec les premiers exemplaires produits, je pense que j'étais dans les 20-30 premiers à en avoir commandé et toujours aucun souci avec les miens. Depuis, certains se sont plaints, mais ça me semble être quelques cas isolés, peut être ont ils récupéré des premiers modèles pas fiables.
VSonic R04
VSonic GR06
ECCI PR300
DUNU Crius
Soundmagic E10
À propos des Xcape IE, il y a eu un problème avec les premiers exemplaires produits, je pense que j'étais dans les 20-30 premiers à en avoir commandé et toujours aucun souci avec les miens. Depuis, certains se sont plaints, mais ça me semble être quelques cas isolés, peut être ont ils récupéré des premiers modèles pas fiables.
XDuoo X3II (firmware SinuX 1.2SE9) --> Moondrop Starfield - Etymotic ER2XR - GS Audio GD3A - Tin Audio T3
PC (USB) - Topping E50 - SMSL SH-9 --> Sennheiser HD580 - Shure SHR840
PC (USB) - Topping E50 - SMSL SH-9 --> Sennheiser HD580 - Shure SHR840
J'avais repéré aussi les Dunu crius
Les klipsh image s4 (dispo autour de 40 alors qu'ils étaient a prés de 100€ !), mais je sais pas ce que ca vaut au niveau isolation et son car j'ai lu du bon et du moins bon...
Ils ont quand même été dans les top 10 des intra a moins de 100€ de pas mal de sites
ET par rapport au s3 ?
Et j'aime bien ceux la aussi: Denon AH-C260, mais idem, aucune idée de la signature. Quelqu'un les a testés ?
Les klipsh image s4 (dispo autour de 40 alors qu'ils étaient a prés de 100€ !), mais je sais pas ce que ca vaut au niveau isolation et son car j'ai lu du bon et du moins bon...
Ils ont quand même été dans les top 10 des intra a moins de 100€ de pas mal de sites
ET par rapport au s3 ?
Et j'aime bien ceux la aussi: Denon AH-C260, mais idem, aucune idée de la signature. Quelqu'un les a testés ?
Les S4 globalement, que ce soit par de reviews ou sur ce forum, tu en entendras surtout du bon voire très bons. À 40€ je pense qu'ils valent largement le coût. Il faut juste savoir qu'ils ont une signature en V, ce qui les rend très bons sur le rock et les styles dynamiques.
Drop Pinnacle P1 - Final Audio Design Heaven-II - Focal Spirit One S - Cambridge Audio DacMagic XS
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
J'ai trouvé un outil excellent qui permet de comparer les réponses en fréquence. J'ai pris les 3 meilleurs et comparé.
Le denon c351 en rouge (pourtant un es moins chers) s'en sort super bien:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Par contre il est inversé par rapport aux autres sur cette courbe (je sais pas trop a quoi ca correspond celle la):
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Pour le klipsch image s4, en rouge aussi, il est bien gonflé dans les basses et mediums:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
et lui aussi inversé sur cette courbe par rapport aux meilleurs:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Le denon c351 en rouge (pourtant un es moins chers) s'en sort super bien:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Par contre il est inversé par rapport aux autres sur cette courbe (je sais pas trop a quoi ca correspond celle la):
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Pour le klipsch image s4, en rouge aussi, il est bien gonflé dans les basses et mediums:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
et lui aussi inversé sur cette courbe par rapport aux meilleurs:
http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompar ... phID[]=783
Attention quand même. Les courbes de réponses sont évidemment un outil qui peut être utile, cependant il faut aussi prendre le temps de lire pas mal de tests/reviews. En fait les courbes donnent surtout une idée du type de signature des écouteurs, mais je crois que la "qualité" du son (exemple définition des basses, réalisme des instruments, etc) ne se voit pas dans ces courbes. Je suis sûr que si tu prends des écouteurs à 50€ ou à 300€ (je ne veux pas insister sur le prix, disons plutôt bas-moyenne-gamme ou très haut de gamme), ils peuvent avoir la même courbe de réponse ou presque, et un son qui n'a rien à voir.
D'autant que ça va dépendre aussi de ton système complet, notamment de ton lecteur et éventuel ampli. Selon le son prodigué par ton lecteur, des écouteurs qui paraissent moins équilibrés peuvent l'être plus, et inversement. Par exemple des écouteurs avec de bonnes basses qui ont un bon impact peuvent être très bon sur un lecteur neutre, et les mêmes couplés à un lecteur qui a lui-même un son chaud peuvent finalement donner un son trop basseux et fatiguant.
Cependant mixer de l'objectif (courbes) avec du subjectif (tests) est toujours une bonne idée. Même si le mieux reste de tester. Malheureusement c'est aussi ce qui est la plus difficile.
Tu trouveras sans doute ici des experts qui pourront te renseigner plus à ce sujet. Je ne suis pas moi-même dans cette catégorie ! Je vais quand même étudier un peu plus le site que tu donnes, ça paraît très intéressant !
D'autant que ça va dépendre aussi de ton système complet, notamment de ton lecteur et éventuel ampli. Selon le son prodigué par ton lecteur, des écouteurs qui paraissent moins équilibrés peuvent l'être plus, et inversement. Par exemple des écouteurs avec de bonnes basses qui ont un bon impact peuvent être très bon sur un lecteur neutre, et les mêmes couplés à un lecteur qui a lui-même un son chaud peuvent finalement donner un son trop basseux et fatiguant.
Cependant mixer de l'objectif (courbes) avec du subjectif (tests) est toujours une bonne idée. Même si le mieux reste de tester. Malheureusement c'est aussi ce qui est la plus difficile.
Tu trouveras sans doute ici des experts qui pourront te renseigner plus à ce sujet. Je ne suis pas moi-même dans cette catégorie ! Je vais quand même étudier un peu plus le site que tu donnes, ça paraît très intéressant !
Drop Pinnacle P1 - Final Audio Design Heaven-II - Focal Spirit One S - Cambridge Audio DacMagic XS
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
Dans le passé: Earsonics ES3 (volés...I still love you, guys) - Fiio F9 - Hifiman RE-0 - Phonak Audeo Pfe 112 - Brainwavz B2
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Voilà quelques extraits de tests de personnes respectées par la communauté Head-Fi
Klipsch S4
Accessories (3.5/5) – Silicone single-flange (3 sizes) and bi-flange tips, and metal carrying case (S4i instead includes a velvet carrying pouch and shirt clip)
Build Quality (4/5) – Housings are plastic but seem plenty sturdy and have articulated strain reliefs. Cable is a little thin for my liking but very flexible and doesn’t tangle much
Isolation (3.5/5) – Block out an above-average amount of external noise
Microphonics (4.5/5) – Nonexistent when worn over-the-ear. Noticeable but not too bad otherwise. Included shirt clip helps further
Comfort (4/5) – Easier to insert when worn cord-down. When worn over-the-ear fit is very similar to the JVC HA-FX300
Sound (6.7/10) – Coming from the RE0 these seem colored and very heavy at the low end, lacking in clarity and behind slightly in detail as well. After some solitary time with the S4, I think that they are interesting earphones that deliver heavy bass impact, strong mids, and decent treble. The bass is not quite as tight as I would like, but can’t really be called bloated either. There is a very small amount bleed into the midrange, which is smooth and articulate, if a little off-neutral (leaning towards warmth) and slightly thin. The treble that the S4s put out is the weak point for me – it lacks the sparkle and smoothness of the RE0 and (even after 200 hours) still sounds somewhat harsh and sibilant. Soundstaging is decent enough but can hardly be called spacious and individual instruments can sometimes be harder to pick out than I would like.
On a final note, I had a small issue with the relatively low impedance and high sensitivity of these - they have a tendency to hiss slightly even with normally dead-silent Sansa Fuze.
Value (7/10)
Pros: Competent build, fit, and finish
Cons: Cables don’t inspire confidence, can be too bass heavy for some, hint of harshness/sibilance, prone to hissing
Denon C360
Accessories (4/5) – Single-flange silicone tips (4 sizes), 2.5’ extension cable, shirt clip, and zippered clamshell carrying case
Build Quality (3.5/5) – The housings are plastic and the thin cable does not inspire a whole lot of confidence but the nozzles use mesh filters and the integrated strain reliefs work well
Isolation (3/5) – The housings are vented but the angled nozzles still allow for decent isolation
Microphonics (3.5/5) – Not too high in the smooth, plastic-sheathed cable but some may have difficulty wearing the C360 over-the-ear to eliminate cable noise completely
Comfort (4.5/5) – The angled-nozzle housings are extremely light and fit beautifully. The off-center cable exit point and rubbery housings further illustrate Denon’s attention to detail when it comes to ergonomics and convenience
Sound (4.7/10) – The bass of the AH-C360 is big and somewhat bloated. Bass impact is fairly good and the low end is quite tactile and well-extended. Speed, texture, and detail, however, are all somewhat lacking.
The midrange is slightly warm and tends to be overshadowed by the bass. The upper midrange, while clear of bass bleed, is noticeably recessed. Detail and clarity are, on the whole, decent but don’t break any barriers in the price tier.
The treble of the AH-C360 is hyped up in an attempt to balance out the sound signature. It does not, however, as the earphones still sound slightly dark on the whole. The top end of the AH-C360 is quite prominent at times and definitely runs the risk of listening fatigue for those sensitive to it. The entire sound is slightly stuffy despite the average-sized soundstage and decent imaging.
Value (6/10)
Pros: Superb comfort
Cons: Modular cable can be frustrating; sub-par frequency balance
Meelec CC51 :
Accessories (4/5) – Single-flange (3 sizes) and bi-flange silicone tips, shirt clip, and hard clamshell carrying case
Build Quality (4/5) – The CC51 uses ceramic housings – a first for an earphone readily available in the US (Nakamichi’s ceramics have been available overseas for quite some time). The cable is different from the other Meelec earphones and more similar to the one found on the HT-21 headphone. It’s supple and tangle-resistant but a bit thinner than the usual clear-coated Meelec cords. A sturdy L-plug completes the picture. Warning: the earphones ship with a shirt clip already on the cord. Extreme care should be taken when it is removed as its sharp edges can shear the cord quite badly
Isolation (4/5) – The housings are vented on the side but allow for relatively deep insertion and isolation is quite good overall
Microphonics (4/5) – Decent when worn cable-down but the curved shells are less than ideal for over-the-ear wear so microphonics aren’t as easy to eliminate completely as I would like
Comfort (4/5) – The slim, angled shells are very ergonomic and quite unobtrusive. The 6mm drivers of the earphones do need to be inside the ear canal for the CC51 to sound their best so those with extremely narrow canals may want to give these a pass but for everyone else they should be quite comfortable
Sound (7.7/10) – The CC51 is the pinnacle of Meelec’s new ‘clarity’ series and - judging by the MSRP – of the company’s entire model range. The bass is tight but impactful, boasting good depth and speed along with realistic attack and decay times, allowing the CC51 to maintain impressive resolution at the low end without being labeled lean or anemic.
The midrange is warm and very smooth. The CC51 has a slight thickness of note and generally sounds lush and full-bodied. the natural clarity of the tiny dynamic drivers is surprisingly good. Detail and texture are good as well – for a warm-and-smooth earphone the CC51 is quite crisp and resolving. Harshness and sibilance are absent from the upper midrange and lower treble, the CC51 is very slightly laid-back at the top – not enough for it to be called recessed or for the overall tone to become dark but enough that the earphone derives no artificial clarity or airiness from the top end.
The presentation of the CC51 is slightly on the intimate side but very enveloping and coherent. Soundstage width and depth are about average but the CC51 can also portray a bit height – something most earphones struggle with. Layering and imaging are not pinpoint-accurate but still quite precise for a mid-range earphone. Instrumental separation is also good and the CC51 never sounds congested. There’s a slight lack of air and openness in the upper registers due to the laid-back nature of the treble but this is only noticeable next to something like the RE-ZERO – on its own the CC51 does not sound stuffy in the least. The timbre and dynamics of the earphones are also worth mentioning as both are above-average for models in the price range. Overall, I feel that the sound signature of theCC51 is a little better than the sum of its parts, being a clear and yet strangely musical experience.
Value (9/10) –Those who can live with their few minor quirks are sure to be impressed.
Pros: Impactful bass, good natural clarity, smooth & balanced sound signature
Cons: Very mild driver flex; not for those with very narrow ear canals; removing shirt clip may be hazardous to the cable; L/R markings can be hard to see under low light
D'une autre personne
Model Estimated Price SQ (#/5) Value (#/5)
Klipsch S4 $79 3.3 3.9
Meelec CC51 $80 4.05 4.8
Klipsch S4
Accessories (3.5/5) – Silicone single-flange (3 sizes) and bi-flange tips, and metal carrying case (S4i instead includes a velvet carrying pouch and shirt clip)
Build Quality (4/5) – Housings are plastic but seem plenty sturdy and have articulated strain reliefs. Cable is a little thin for my liking but very flexible and doesn’t tangle much
Isolation (3.5/5) – Block out an above-average amount of external noise
Microphonics (4.5/5) – Nonexistent when worn over-the-ear. Noticeable but not too bad otherwise. Included shirt clip helps further
Comfort (4/5) – Easier to insert when worn cord-down. When worn over-the-ear fit is very similar to the JVC HA-FX300
Sound (6.7/10) – Coming from the RE0 these seem colored and very heavy at the low end, lacking in clarity and behind slightly in detail as well. After some solitary time with the S4, I think that they are interesting earphones that deliver heavy bass impact, strong mids, and decent treble. The bass is not quite as tight as I would like, but can’t really be called bloated either. There is a very small amount bleed into the midrange, which is smooth and articulate, if a little off-neutral (leaning towards warmth) and slightly thin. The treble that the S4s put out is the weak point for me – it lacks the sparkle and smoothness of the RE0 and (even after 200 hours) still sounds somewhat harsh and sibilant. Soundstaging is decent enough but can hardly be called spacious and individual instruments can sometimes be harder to pick out than I would like.
On a final note, I had a small issue with the relatively low impedance and high sensitivity of these - they have a tendency to hiss slightly even with normally dead-silent Sansa Fuze.
Value (7/10)
Pros: Competent build, fit, and finish
Cons: Cables don’t inspire confidence, can be too bass heavy for some, hint of harshness/sibilance, prone to hissing
Denon C360
Accessories (4/5) – Single-flange silicone tips (4 sizes), 2.5’ extension cable, shirt clip, and zippered clamshell carrying case
Build Quality (3.5/5) – The housings are plastic and the thin cable does not inspire a whole lot of confidence but the nozzles use mesh filters and the integrated strain reliefs work well
Isolation (3/5) – The housings are vented but the angled nozzles still allow for decent isolation
Microphonics (3.5/5) – Not too high in the smooth, plastic-sheathed cable but some may have difficulty wearing the C360 over-the-ear to eliminate cable noise completely
Comfort (4.5/5) – The angled-nozzle housings are extremely light and fit beautifully. The off-center cable exit point and rubbery housings further illustrate Denon’s attention to detail when it comes to ergonomics and convenience
Sound (4.7/10) – The bass of the AH-C360 is big and somewhat bloated. Bass impact is fairly good and the low end is quite tactile and well-extended. Speed, texture, and detail, however, are all somewhat lacking.
The midrange is slightly warm and tends to be overshadowed by the bass. The upper midrange, while clear of bass bleed, is noticeably recessed. Detail and clarity are, on the whole, decent but don’t break any barriers in the price tier.
The treble of the AH-C360 is hyped up in an attempt to balance out the sound signature. It does not, however, as the earphones still sound slightly dark on the whole. The top end of the AH-C360 is quite prominent at times and definitely runs the risk of listening fatigue for those sensitive to it. The entire sound is slightly stuffy despite the average-sized soundstage and decent imaging.
Value (6/10)
Pros: Superb comfort
Cons: Modular cable can be frustrating; sub-par frequency balance
Meelec CC51 :
Accessories (4/5) – Single-flange (3 sizes) and bi-flange silicone tips, shirt clip, and hard clamshell carrying case
Build Quality (4/5) – The CC51 uses ceramic housings – a first for an earphone readily available in the US (Nakamichi’s ceramics have been available overseas for quite some time). The cable is different from the other Meelec earphones and more similar to the one found on the HT-21 headphone. It’s supple and tangle-resistant but a bit thinner than the usual clear-coated Meelec cords. A sturdy L-plug completes the picture. Warning: the earphones ship with a shirt clip already on the cord. Extreme care should be taken when it is removed as its sharp edges can shear the cord quite badly
Isolation (4/5) – The housings are vented on the side but allow for relatively deep insertion and isolation is quite good overall
Microphonics (4/5) – Decent when worn cable-down but the curved shells are less than ideal for over-the-ear wear so microphonics aren’t as easy to eliminate completely as I would like
Comfort (4/5) – The slim, angled shells are very ergonomic and quite unobtrusive. The 6mm drivers of the earphones do need to be inside the ear canal for the CC51 to sound their best so those with extremely narrow canals may want to give these a pass but for everyone else they should be quite comfortable
Sound (7.7/10) – The CC51 is the pinnacle of Meelec’s new ‘clarity’ series and - judging by the MSRP – of the company’s entire model range. The bass is tight but impactful, boasting good depth and speed along with realistic attack and decay times, allowing the CC51 to maintain impressive resolution at the low end without being labeled lean or anemic.
The midrange is warm and very smooth. The CC51 has a slight thickness of note and generally sounds lush and full-bodied. the natural clarity of the tiny dynamic drivers is surprisingly good. Detail and texture are good as well – for a warm-and-smooth earphone the CC51 is quite crisp and resolving. Harshness and sibilance are absent from the upper midrange and lower treble, the CC51 is very slightly laid-back at the top – not enough for it to be called recessed or for the overall tone to become dark but enough that the earphone derives no artificial clarity or airiness from the top end.
The presentation of the CC51 is slightly on the intimate side but very enveloping and coherent. Soundstage width and depth are about average but the CC51 can also portray a bit height – something most earphones struggle with. Layering and imaging are not pinpoint-accurate but still quite precise for a mid-range earphone. Instrumental separation is also good and the CC51 never sounds congested. There’s a slight lack of air and openness in the upper registers due to the laid-back nature of the treble but this is only noticeable next to something like the RE-ZERO – on its own the CC51 does not sound stuffy in the least. The timbre and dynamics of the earphones are also worth mentioning as both are above-average for models in the price range. Overall, I feel that the sound signature of theCC51 is a little better than the sum of its parts, being a clear and yet strangely musical experience.
Value (9/10) –Those who can live with their few minor quirks are sure to be impressed.
Pros: Impactful bass, good natural clarity, smooth & balanced sound signature
Cons: Very mild driver flex; not for those with very narrow ear canals; removing shirt clip may be hazardous to the cable; L/R markings can be hard to see under low light
D'une autre personne
Model Estimated Price SQ (#/5) Value (#/5)
Klipsch S4 $79 3.3 3.9
Meelec CC51 $80 4.05 4.8