DarkZenith a écrit :

Dj Run a écrit :DarkZenith : Est-ce que tu pense que le son des autres "clones" du FA-004 serait le même que sur l'Edenwood ?

J'en suis pratiquement convaincu.
J'ai moi aussi pensé à un moment: Fischer Audio et les autres marques "audiophiles" doivent quand même bidouiller les Yoga à leur sauce avant de les proposer à leurs propres clients, histoire de justifier leur marge autrement que par le prestige de leur logo, comme Alessandro le fait par exemple avec les Grado (sauf qu'en l'occurrence, le casque modifié (MS1) est moins cher que l'original (RS125)! Mais passons...)
Eh bien, après enquête, il semblerait que non.
m00hk00h, un membre de Head-Fi qui est en liaison avec Yoga, affirme avoir reçu des courriels de ce fabricant lui certifiant qu'aucun de ses casques vendus pour retail à FA ou Teufel (autres marques de rebranding de produits Yoga, allemande cette fois-ci) n'est retouché en aucune autre manière que cosmétique par ces boîtes qui tentent ensuite de nous les refourguer en nous faisant croire qu'ils sortent de leur propre labo!
Voici ce que m00hk00h répondait à ce sujet à LFF, grand fan et fameux testeur des produits FA sur Head-Fi, quand celui-ci a eu l'imprudence d'affirmer: "Fischer uses their own drivers."

No they don't, according to Yoga. And they must know, they are producing them for Fischer. Along with many other of the head- and earphones in the Fischer lineup. And Fischer is not the only OEM costumer (and not the only one claiming to have have changed something).

The Berlin based company Teufel for example has Yoga headphones (and is considering taking the the phones we are talking right now into the lineup). They call the "over the ear" model AC 9050 and when it was first announced they claimed that Teufel engineers had it changed after their instructions. But when I asked Yoga they told me all they changed was the color. And when I was finally able to hear it, it was clear to me that it sounded just like my CD98 did which I got directly from Yoga.



And even they didn't tell me anything there would still be "common sense":

It's almost impossible to make a headphone sound good if you don't develop it as a whole from the beginning. Just taking the cups of some manufacturer (and I know for a fact that Yoga wouldn't sell the cups alone) and trying to put in your own drivers is more work then actually doing it all by yourself. And even if Fischer removes the innards it brings up lot's of other questions:

Where do the new drivers come from? They can't come out of nowhere. I really doubt they have the knowledge to develop and manufacture them themselves because then they would be able to build the whole thing themselves. And where would they exchange the drivers anyways? They would need room and personnel to do that.

Finally take a look at the technical data. This alone is more then a clue. How high are the chances that Fischer's drivers (if there are any) have the same specs as the ones from Yoga?

And even if they were considering buying the drivers from somewhere else they could as well have stayed with the Yoga ones in the first place because it would spare them the place and the personnel to change the drivers.



And that's what they did. According to Yoga.

Anything else would also have been very uneconomical.



This got a little longer then I expected it to be in the first place. But I felt like I had to explain myself.

Fischer is "just" another OEM reseller. Not that this is bad or something. Equation showed how it's done and Fischer seems to do a good job, too.

I have no problem with that.



m00h

Je serais même, pour ma part, tenté de croire que les différences dans les specs claironnées par certains rebrandeurs de produits Yoga seraient pur bidonnage de leur part...
Alors quid de la différence de prix, me direz-vous? Voici comment, selon Southy013, autre membre de Head-Fi, des responsables du site Frogbeats expliquent cette différence:

Had an interesting exchange with the fine folks at Frogbeats, and thought it was worth sharing:



"We are well aware of both the other models and that they come from the same OEM manufacturer. However that's not really our place to question the RRP that Fischer has given us or which ones are better/cheaper to get in. Lindy only sell on Lindy, and Brainwavz aren't interested in dealing with us because we would take custom from MP4Nation, which would cause problems.

As you will start seeing everywhere, many earphones are rebrands of other OEM models. Brainwavz, infact, doesn't create any of their earphones and they are all rebranded OEM models (as can be seen by the B2 which is identical to the DBA-02). If you look at the new MEElectronics A161P, you will see it's a rebrand of an OEM model which is also the Fischer Audio SBA-03. Unfortunately we have no control over who decides to use that OEM model, and neither do the actual companies (like Fischer Audio) unless they have a contract in place with that OEM manufacturer.

The price differences are quite significant, I agree, and naturally people will go for the cheaper priced one. Especially as they sound identical. We most likely will never be able to directly compete with companies that are based out of Asia, because we have to pay tax and run through several legal channels which hits us with bigger overheads than a simple operation in Asia. The only thing we can offer over those brands is (we hope, or so people have said) a great customer service and delivery service. The shipping prices aren't cheap, but you get them within 48 hours and there are never any issues with that. Added to the fact you don't pay tax when they come into the country.

We will never be able to do anything about the disparities in prices other than discuss it with Fischer Audio and see if they want to come to a compromise, but even then it could be months till a decision is met. We will continue to supply Fischer Audio because people prefer to go for them as a brand in general, and they do have a slight design change which makes them quite a bit nicer than the HM5s."

I think many of us who have been debating this can rest pretty well assured that these 3 models are in fact the same product (the newer, nicer cup design from FA notwithstanding).

That they took the time to write a response, nay, an opus like this makes me wish the price disparity wasn't quite so great, as it really makes me want to patronize Frogbeats.